MINUTES OF THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES AND FACILITIES Sixty-eighth Session May 1, 1995 The Senate Committee on Human Resources and Facilities was called to order by Chairman Raymond D. Rawson, at 1:30 p.m., on Monday, May 1, 1995, in Room 226 of the Legislative Building, Carson City, Nevada. Exhibit A is the Agenda. Exhibit B is the Attendance Roster. COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Senator Raymond D. Rawson, Chairman Senator Sue Lowden, Vice Chairman Senator Maurice Washington Senator Kathy M. Augustine Senator Joseph M. Neal, Jr. Senator Bob Coffin Senator Bernice Mathews GUEST LEGISLATORS PRESENT: Assemblyman Wendell P. Williams STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Kerry Carroll Davis, Senior Research Analyst, Legislative Counsel Bureau Mary Gavin, Committee Secretary OTHERS PRESENT: William S. Gosnell, Chief, Administrative Services Division, Department of Motor Vehicles and Public Safety Daryl L. Mobley, Post Commander, Post 3630, Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States Ted E. Deems, Legislative Coordinator, Non-Commissioned Officers Association Debbie Cahill, Director, Legislative Affairs, Nevada State Education Association Keith Rheault, Deputy Superintendent, State Department of Education Carolyne Edwards, Legislative Lobbyist, Clark County School District Henry Etchemendy, Executive Director, Nevada Association of School Boards Chairman Rawson requested committee introduction of Bill Draft Request (BDR) 34-2021. BILL DRAFT REQUEST 34-2021: Revise provisions governing approval of accredited educational programs for educational personnel. SENATOR LOWDEN MOVED TO INTRODUCE BILL DRAFT REQUEST 34- 2021. SENATOR MATHEWS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND SENATOR NEAL WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.) * * * * * Chairman Rawson requested committee introduction of Bill Draft Request (BDR) 40-1879. BILL DRAFT REQUEST 40-1879: Provide for regulation of emergency medical services in Washoe County. SENATOR LOWDEN MOVED TO INTRODUCE BILL DRAFT REQUEST 40- 1879. SENATOR AUGUSTINE SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND SENATOR NEAL WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.) * * * * * Chairman Rawson requested committee introduction of Bill Draft Request (BDR) 34-24. BILL DRAFT REQUEST 34-24: Redesignates pupils with disabilities and requires training for teachers. SENATOR MATHEWS MOVED TO INTRODUCE BILL DRAFT REQUEST 34- 24. SENATOR LOWDEN SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND SENATOR NEAL WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.) * * * * * Chairman Rawson opened the hearing on Senate Bill (S.B.) 161 and Senate Bill (S.B.) 163. SENATE BILL 161: Consolidate office of Nevada commissioner for veteran affairs. SENATE BILL 163: Transfers advisory duties concerning veterans' cemeteries to enlarged veterans' advisory commission. William S. Gosnell, Chief, Administrative Services Division, Department of Motor Vehicles and Public Safety, testified that subsequent to the committee meeting held March 20, 1995, when S.B. 161 and S.B. 163 were initially heard, representatives of the department have met with various veteran organizations and have come up with a compromise regarding amendments to the two bills. The first amendment on S.B. 161 (Exhibit C) would essentially do three basic things, as set forth in the amendment to section 6, item 2, of Nevada Revised Statutes (NRS) 417.230; as follows: (1) Retain the cemetery committees which will meet at least four times a year, and included therein is the provision for the Boulder City committee to travel to Fernley once a year to meet jointly with the Fernley committee, and the Fernley committee will meet in Boulder once a year with that committee. The other two meetings will be held separately. (2) The cemetery committee members would receive travel per diem for trips. (3) One member of each cemetery committee will be nominated by each of the chairmen to sit on the overall advisory commission. The makeup of the overall advisory commission will still be seven members, with two of them being veterans appointed from the two cemetery committees. The appointment amendment is included in S.B. 163. Chairman Rawson asked if there is a requirement that members of the advisory commission be veterans. Mr. Gosnell replied affirmatively. Mr. Gosnell then referred to the amendment to S.B. 163, (Exhibit D), which is contained in section 1, item 2(a) of NRS 417.150, which provides that (1) appointments to the advisory commission come through the Director of the Department of Motor Vehicles and Public Safety for submission to the Governor, and (2) the advisory commission will meet four times a year, rather than twice. Mr. Gosnell said the advisory commission will remain at seven members, and they will be appointed the same way, except two of the members will be from the two cemetery committees. Chairman Rawson asked what fiscal note accompanies the amendments. Mr. Gosnell advised there is a fiscal note of $3,900 per year total to handle the travel per diem for the committee members. Senator Augustine asked Mr. Gosnell if the provision for members of the Senate or Legislature to serve on the advisory commission had been eliminated. Mr. Gosnell said no, the makeup of that commission has not changed. Senator Augustine directed attention to section 1, item 3, "The Governor may remove a member of the commission at any time for failure to perform duties, malfeasance or other good cause." In section 1 of the original bill it reads: "The majority leader of the senate shall appoint two senators to serve as members of the advisory commission." Mr. Gosnell explained that the amendment goes back to the existing language on the bill. Chairman Rawson remarked that clarification is needed, and asked that the committee look at one bill at a time, starting with S.B. 161. He than asked if there is any question about the amendment on S.B. 161 or if there are opponents to S.B. 161 or S.B. 163. No opposition was declared. The chairman then asked if there were any questions on the amendments to S.B. 161. No questions were received. The chairman than asked if there were any questions on the amendments to S.B. 163. No questions were received. Chairman Rawson pointed out there was a question raised on section 1, subsection 3. Senator Augustine said the matter is clear to her now; it was just the way the amendment was written. In essence, what has happened is item 3 and item 4 have been deleted from the existing bill and replaced with item 3. The existing item 5 has been moved to item 4. Chairman Rawson said in essence that item 3 removed from S. B. 163 was replaced by new language. Senator Augustine remarked that item 4 is also gone. Chairman Rawson asked if there is any question about that. No questions were received. Senator Lowden remarked that she is delighted a meeting of the minds has been reached, and the veterans have come to the table with everyone in agreement. She is also glad that her suggestion was taken of reducing the number serving on the advisory commission from 11 to 7 members. Chairman Rawson asked Mr. Randy Day, Commissioner, Office of Nevada Commissioner for Veteran Affairs, if he wanted to say anything, and he indicated that he did not. The chairman asked if anyone else wanted to speak in favor of these two bills. Daryl L. Mobley, Post Commander, Post 3630, Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, commended Senator Sue Lowden and all the other committee members who gave their time and worked with the veterans and, hopefully, the results will allow the veterans to have a national home. Chairman Rawson said he was ready to close the hearing on S.B. 161 and S.B. 163 and asked if there is anyone else who wished to speak. Ted E. Deems, Legislative Coordinator, Non-Commissioned Officers Association, spoke on behalf of the 160,000 members of that association, saying that he agrees with everything said here today. He wants to recognize Dan Johnson, Chairman, Nevada Veterans' Advisory Commission, who helped in getting the bill on one page, and Mr. Weller for his outstanding efforts and the efforts of his staff, and Chairman Rawson, whose leadership and tact got everyone through the hearings last time, and the entire committee on human resources for helping the veterans through this entire proceeding. Mr. Deems said the veterans can now proceed to serve the State of Nevada and all her veterans. Chairman Rawson remarked that it is very difficult for the Legislature when opposing views come up in a hearing, and they cannot always be settled. He said the veterans' organizations are good and represent a lot of great men and women in this state. He asked the veterans' groups try to keep in harmony on the road ahead and if the committee or the Legislature can be of help in the future, every effort will be made to assist. He asked that the veterans' organizations keep the Legislature informed so there will be no interference in the way the organizations conduct their business. The chairman then closed the hearing on S.B. 161 and S.B. 163, and asked for the pleasure of the committee. SENATOR AUGUSTINE MOVED TO AMEND AND DO PASS S.B. 161. SENATOR MATHEWS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. * * * * * SENATOR AUGUSTINE MOVED TO AMEND AND DO PASS S.B. 163. SENATOR MATHEWS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. * * * * * Senator Rawson opened the hearing on Assembly Bill (A.B.) 283. ASSEMBLY BILL 283: Requires school districts to submit annual report to superintendent of public instruction concerning recruitment of new teachers. Assemblyman Wendell P. Williams explained A.B. 283, saying this particular bill deals with recruitment of teachers and is submitted because Assembly District No. 6 is one of the fastest growing districts in Clark County and one of the fastest growing in the nation. Mr. Williams said recruitment of teachers is very competitive, especially in the western United States and in order to get the best for Nevada's children, plans for recruitment must be developed. When this bill was presented in the Assembly, Mr. Williams advised, some school districts said they were doing some things, but no one had a definite plan on how they were going to maximize their dollars and resources to make sure that energies and resources are stretched to the point that District No. 6 has an opportunity to compete to get the best teachers. Many states are using the same vehicles for recruitment, such as teacher fairs and so forth, and it is imperative to have a plan on paper to make sure District No. 6 can maximize and get the best teachers. None of the districts reported having a plan. Some of them reported on what they do, but none of them really has a written plan. Mr. Williams advised he brought this bill because the district has been using a shotgun approach, just sending their people out to different places and hoping to find the best teachers, but he feels more should be done than just hope a well qualified teacher inadvertently stumbles into Nevada and gets hired that way. He said the schools really do need to have a plan to go out and get the best people. Mr. Williams reported that at a teacher fair, one state having approximately 12 universities brought all their potential teachers to the fair. Clark County recruiters showed up there a day after the fair was over. Obviously, this was a waste of dollars. Mr. Williams continued by saying one of the components of the bill deals with the diversity of students. In a very short time population-wise, the minority will be the majority, and Clark County hopes to recruit teachers to reflect the diversity of the students. Chairman Rawson asked if the bill requires that they recruit teachers to reflect the diversity of the students. Mr. Williams replied it is in the bill; it is one of the components of the bill. Senator Augustine remarked that there was no fiscal note. Mr. Williams said there is an explanation in the fiscal book which says the cost would be very little. It was hard for them to come up with a sound figure because this is something new. However, it was estimated it would require a very small amount of money. Mr. Williams said also that if Clark County can maximize efforts and have a plan on paper of how this is going to be done, money will be saved in the long run. Senator Augustine asked if many teachers are being hired out of University of Nevada-Las Vegas (UNLV) and University of Nevada- Reno (UNR.) Mr. Williams said he did not think so. Nevada does not have enough teachers in the field of education to fill the need. Chairman Rawson commented that they graduate a couple hundred teachers a year between the UNLV and UNR, and 800 teachers were needed for class-size reduction last year. Mr. Williams said the number of teachers produced by UNLV and UNR is not nearly the number needed. Not only does Clark County want to recruit the number of teachers needed, but they want to be very competitive and get the best they can for the children in the classrooms. He reiterated that Clark County wants to attract the best and find out how they can take trips that will maximize contacts with possible candidates to get better results. Mr. Williams said he does not think it pays to take a trip to contact one person. Long-range planning will maximize the dollars. Senator Lowden said it seems that the school district would have a plan to recruit teachers. Mr. Williams said the school district has a recruiting office and they send representatives, but they have nothing on paper that shows how they are going to maximize their resources, both human and financial, and there is no plan to match the need with a plan on paper. Senator Lowden asked if they have a budget, and Mr. Williams replied in the affirmative. Senator Lowden commented that she finds that amazing because usually school districts are big on plans. Mr. Williams said if it is not on paper, it is not a plan. Chairman Rawson asked Mr. Williams if he is concerned that the plan would be open to public scrutiny before the recruiters go out? Mr. Williams said that is not a major concern to him. He said he is not sure whether or not a plan would be open to public scrutiny, but he is sure that at this time a plan is not laid out beforehand in reference to contacts to maximize the district's efforts in meeting a large number of candidates. Senator Lowden asked about the rural counties and if this bill would require them to have a plan, even if they do not need a plan. Mr. Williams said most definitely, each school district needs a plan because even if the need is not as great in some districts as it is in another, they still want to get the best possible teachers. In order to do that, there has to be some plan to attract those teachers. Some plans, because of the need or lack thereof, may not be as extensive as others. Senator Lowden said she did not know if every county needs to recruit. Mr. Williams said after A.B. 283 was introduced, every county has submitted what they did the previous years, but this was after the fact. Senator Lowden said she is not aware that there is a recruiting plan for every county. Mr. Williams said it is not a recruiting plan, but they do have a report that comes after the fact. What he wants is to see something beforehand. Senator Mathews asked what prompted this bill. Mr. Williams replied that competition to attract the best teachers is what mainly prompted this bill. The district wants to make sure there is a written plan which will give them a good chance to compete for the best teachers. Mr. Williams continued, saying that the district not only wants to get the best teachers, but to do that in a way that is cost-effective. Right now, he said, there is no plan for attracting minority teachers, and there is a shortage of male minority teachers. Debbie Cahill, Director, Legislative Affairs, Nevada State Education Association, testified in favor of the bill, and referred to the $350,000 allocated in 1991 specifically for minority recruitment, saying that allocation helped to focus the districts on the need for doing minority recruitment and having a more organized recruitment program. Ms. Cahill said the reports that came back from the districts spurred some amazing situations. For instance, in Washoe County they hired a minority recruiter for the first time. Her name is Shirley Woods, who is a classroom teacher and spends half of the year, from January through the spring, doing recruitment in general, but with emphasis on minority recruitment. Ms. Cahill reported that in the rural counties, the money they received from that allocation went to put together a publication which was sent out to help recruit. Recruitment in the rural areas is different; the approach they must take is quite different from Washoe and Clark counties. The rural counties have a different problem to address. Ms. Cahill said that statewide, the numbers are abominable. The ratio of minority teachers to minority students is way out of balance, and this bill would help refocus the districts on minority recruitment. Mr. Williams advised that the state superintendent testified in the Assembly that she hopes it will serve as an impetus to look at legislation again for more dollars. He does not feel there was an appetite to pass legislation in 1993 for a minority recruitment bill because there was no plan to show how that money was maximized. The state superintendent indicated if this bill moves forward, it hopefully will lead to more money. Senator Mathews asked if there has been an increase in minority recruitment since Ms. Woods has been on the job in Washoe County, and said she did not realize Ms. Woods' recruitment position is part-time or half-time. Ms. Cahill said she believes Ms. Woods' position is half-time. She said she does not have the numbers on minority recruitment, but she will get this information and advise the committee. Ms. Cahill said she does know when Ms. Woods goes out to recruit, there is an emphasis on minority recruitment. Keith Rheault, Deputy Superintendent, State Department of Education, advised that he does have the count for the minority recruitment (Exhibit E), and the reports from the three sub- grants the department allocated in 1992 and 1993 (Exhibit F). Those reports indicate how the money was spent, which colleges were visited and which programs were started. Chairman Rawson asked if there was an adequate number of trips to places where they could find good teachers. Mr. Rheault said the reports from Clark County indicated recruiters specifically targeted job fairs for Asian students, trips to Georgia and North Carolina to predominantly black colleges, Indian education colleges in the Midwest and to New Mexico and Southern California for bilingual Spanish teachers. Chairman Rawson asked if the number of teachers recruited are reflected in the numbers. Mr. Rheault said percentage-wise, no, but there is an ethnic report in Exhibit E showing a breakdown of all the teachers from 1991 through 1995. The department has been hiring about 1000 new teachers a year, and the percentage has only changed probably one-half of a percent. It was 88.7 percent white teachers in 1991, and it is 88.68 percent today, with 4,000 instructional personnel added since that time, so the level stayed the same. Mr. Rheault said that one thing the department has learned from this minority recruitment is that the competition is fierce, and that every state is looking to increase minority teachers and when recruiters go to these fairs, it is really the states that come up with the best packages that get the best teachers. Chairman Rawson asked the percentage of white students in Nevada. Mr. Rheault replied it currently is 69 percent. In Exhibit E there is a breakdown of minority ethnic students since 1983. In 1983, white students were 89 percent of school population, and in the past 10 years , there has been a decrease of 20 percent. The chairman asked if local districts have any leeway in the contracts they offer minority teachers. Mr. Rheault said he is not sure, but he does know some districts give incentives for bilingual teachers. Senator Lowden asked for copies of Exhibit E and Exhibit F, and Mr. Rheault said he would ask the secretary to make copies and distribute them to the committee members. Mr. Rheault concluded by saying the final reports from the minority recruitment sub-grants (Exhibit F) for all the rural school districts, Clark County and Washoe County are very informative. Chairman Rawson asked if there are any particular minorities that are most under-represented. Mr. Rheault replied that currently it is the Hispanic population, but minorities are all slightly underrepresented. Senator Lowden asked Mr. Rheault if the groups that recruit now have to report to the superintendent's office. Mr. Rheault advised that the department collects licensed teacher and licensed personnel information on a yearly basis for reports, and part of that information is on the ethnic background of the teachers. This information is received from every school district. Senator Lowden asked if the districts currently have a recruitment plan. Mr. Rheault said he did not know whether the districts have plans or not because the department does not ask for them. Senator Lowden asked if Ms. Edwards could answer a few of her questions about Clark County. Is there a plan in Clark County? Carolyne Edwards, Legislative Lobbyist, Clark County School District, testified that what Mr. Williams referred to is a written plan, and she believes what is needed is a structured plan on paper. She said if someone walked into the department right now and asked to see the person who is in charge of minority recruitment, the person in charge could do a good job of explaining what her goals and desires are and where she is going and what she is doing, but this is not in writing. Ms. Edwards said she believes that what Mr. Williams wants on a statewide basis is a structured plan for all 17 counties that is consistent and coherent. The district applauds that effort. Senator Augustine asked if that means at this time Brian Cram, Superintendent, Clark County School District, is not requiring written reports of what is going on with recruitment. Ms. Edwards said that what Mr. Williams wants specifically is a written plan separated out for each of the counties so that it can be seen beforehand. The district reports after the fact, and that is why Mr. Rheault can come up with the figures in Exhibit E and Exhibit F. Ms. Edwards continued by saying there are numerous reports in bits and pieces all over the district, and if all these bits and pieces were gathered together, a structured plan could be developed. Of course, Mr. Cram does want to know what is planned, and he gets this information through the assistant superintendent. Senator Mathews said that she now understands what Mr. Williams is trying to accomplish insofar as a written plan is concerned. She asked Ms. Edwards the size of her department for recruitment. Ms. Edwards said it is a large department, with one person in charge, and that person has several people whom she supervises and many recruiters. Senator Neal asked if he could describe the recruiting office as an office that designates a particular time of year in which they get plane tickets and car rentals, and the recruiters go to various universities to recruit; is that essentially the plan? Ms. Edwards replied in the affirmative. Chairman Rawson asked if there has been concern there would be too much influence if this plan is spelled out? Ms. Edwards responded that the person who is over that whole division now, Dr. George Ann Rice, would tell you that her method of operating is exactly like what Mr. Williams wants. She has been putting that department together over the last 2 to 3 years. Ms. Edwards feels sure Dr. Rice would consider the bill a very good idea. Chairman Rawson asked if there was testimony against this bill in the Assembly. Ms. Edwards replied that other districts testified it should be an issue of local control; the school districts should do this on their own. On the concept itself, there is no opposition to the concept of planning. Chairman Rawson asked if this requires reporting to the state board or to the local board. Ms. Edwards said it requires reporting to the state superintendent. Chairman Rawson asked what the vote was on the Assembly side because there has been no opposition today, and he is trying to anticipate any opposition. He does not want someone coming in later and saying they do not want this bill or they have a problem with this bill. Mr. Williams replied that on the floor of the Assembly, some people thought this to be an affirmative action bill and voted against it. As he remembers, in the committee hearing, the only testimony in opposition was from Elko County. He said there is one component of the bill that deals with recruitment of minority teachers, and some of his colleagues on the floor of the Assembly felt that line 13 of the bill made it an affirmative action bill. Chairman Rawson said this bill is asking for representative selection or recruitment. He asked Mr. Williams if he sees this as an affirmative action bill? Mr. Williams responded he did not because when people deal with affirmative action, they set goals. He stated further that the language of this bill is asking that in recruiting, there be a component in the plan to select teachers to reflect the diversity of the student population. Mr. Williams advised the committee that there is nothing in the bill that mandates, there is no directive, there is no goal stating that for every number of students there should be one teacher to reflect that diversity. As the districts grow throughout the nation and in Nevada and with the increase of students of a variety of ethnic backgrounds, the districts would want some teachers that look like some of the students. Senator Neal said he understands this state has a problem recruiting teachers, and he feels if Nevada is going to recruit teachers, the state may as well recruit teachers to reflect the diversity of the student body. Senator Lowden said she has never been on a money committee, but she is curious if there is a certain amount of money the state puts aside for the purposes of recruitment or is it lumped into the school districts' budgets and then the districts carve it out. Mr. Williams said it is his understanding they carve it out. Senator Lowden commented that the individual districts decide how the money budgeted to them is going to be spent. Mr. Williams said it is his hope that the districts would maximize those dollars when recruiting to get the most for the money that is allocated for that purpose. Hopefully, the districts could save money and still get the top teachers. But, again, Mr. Williams said, if it is not on paper, it is not a plan. Henry Etchemendy, Executive Director, Nevada Association of School Boards, said he was not present and did not testify for the association when this bill was heard in the Assembly. He said he understands that Deputy Superintendent Harold Ridgway of the Elko County School District did provide testimony on the bill, and it was essentially as Mr. Williams and Ms. Edwards testified. In the smaller districts, recruitment is usually done by the superintendent or associate superintendents because they wear many hats in the small districts. Speaking on behalf of the association, Mr. Etchemendy said there really cannot be a big problem with respect to the report that is going to have to be filled out because the bill directs the state superintendent to prepare a report, and then the districts report on the style of that report. The State Department of Education has been working very cooperatively and effectively with all the local school districts whenever they are charged with doing something like this in developing the format for the reports. Senator Lowden asked if a school district like White Pine, where they cannot even make payroll, is going out recruiting and spending money? Mr. Etchemendy said he does not know what White Pine is doing, and he knows they are limited in what they can or cannot do, but they are going to have to get teachers one way or the other because their enrollment is going to grow, as it does in all the other districts. Chairman Rawson said the concept of the bill is fine, but he would like to talk with the chairman of senate finance from the standpoint of whether or not any money is to be put into minority recruitment. He realizes that is not linked to this bill, but possibly that can be dealt with in this bill. Senator Neal remarked that this bill would not need any money because those districts have recruitment built into their budgets, so he did not understand why it would go to finance. Chairman Rawson said Senator Neal is right, but he is thinking in terms of trying to supplement or help a little bit with financing. Senator Lowden said that since Elko County was protesting against the bill and the rural districts are the ones which seem to have a problem, she would like to have the opportunity to speak with Senator McGinness and Senator Rhoads about the bill. Chairman Rawson said he planned to schedule this bill for a vote within a week, and this will be noticed. He does not anticipate any holdup. Senator Washington remarked that he would like to see another bill with the appropriation in it. The hearing on A.B. 283 was closed. Chairman Rawson stated he had a request from Senator Washington for a committee introduction of Bill Draft Request (BDR) 38-1904 with some changes in it and changes still to come, and he asked Senator Washington to address those changes. BILL DRAFT REQUEST 38-1904: Requires establishment of program for self-sufficiency of applicants for and recipients of aid to families with dependent children. Senator Washington agreed that there will be additional changes to this BDR which should be here by Wednesday, May 10. This bill draft requests another look at what is going on with the Congress and the Senate on welfare reform. Chairman Rawson said apparently this is the draft and there are some minor changes that Senator Washington wants to make, but in the interest of the lateness of the session, he would like to have it introduced and get it back into committee so that a hearing can be held. SENATOR AUGUSTINE MOVED TO INTRODUCE BILL DRAFT REQUEST 38-1904. SENATOR LOWDEN SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. * * * * * There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: _________________________________ Mary Gavin, Committee Secretary APPROVED BY: _____________________________________ Senator Raymond D. Rawson, Chairman DATE:_______________________________ Senate Committee on Human Resources and Facilities May 1, 1995 Page