MINUTES OF THE ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS Sixty-eighth Session June 10, 1995 The Committee on Government Affairs was called to order at 8:00 a.m., on Saturday, June 10, 1995, Chairman Douglas A. Bache presiding in Room 330 of the Legislative Building, Carson City, Nevada. Exhibit A is the Agenda. Exhibit B is the Attendance Roster. COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Douglas A. Bache, Chairman Mrs. Joan A. Lambert, Chairman Mrs. Deanna Braunlin, Vice Chairman Mr. P.M. Roy Neighbors, Vice Chairman Mr. Max Bennett Mrs. Marcia de Braga Mrs. Vivian L. Freeman Mr. William Z. (Bill) Harrington Ms. Saundra (Sandi) Krenzer Mr. Dennis Nolan Mrs. Gene Wines Segerblom Ms. Patricia A. Tripple Mr. Wendell P. Williams COMMITTEE MEMBERS EXCUSED: Mr. Pete Ernaut GUEST LEGISLATORS PRESENT: Senator Ann O'Connell, District No. 5; Senator Dina Titus, District No. 7. STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Ms. Denice Miller, Senior Research Analyst OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Gary Crews, Legislative Auditor, Legislative Counsel Bureau, State of Nevada; Ms. Carole Vilardo, Nevada Taxpayers Association; Mr. Dean Borges, Deputy Manager, State Public Works Board; Ms. Dee Ann Parsons, Chief, Nevada Energy Office, Department of Business and Industry, State of Nevada; Mr. Henry Etchemendy, Nevada Association of School Boards; Ms. Jeanne Botts, Program Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau; Ms. Debbie Cahill, Nevada State Education Association (See also Exhibit B attached hereto). SENATE BILL NO. 460 - Requires certain agencies to report on whether its system of internal accounting and administrative control is in compliance with uniform system adopted by director of department of administration. Senator Ann O'Connell, District No. 5, testified. She submitted a copy of a bill she introduced during the 1987 legislative session (Exhibit C). She advised the purpose of that bill was to require state agencies to adopt a uniform system of internal auditing and administrative controls. She said the bill became law and "...was to be in place with the government agencies by January 1st of 1988." She explained the bill was modeled after the Federal Managers Financial Integrity Act and said five other states had enacted identical legislation. Senator O'Connell stated, during the last biennium, there were $75 million worth of audit exceptions because state agencies had not implemented the procedures required by the Internal Auditing Controls Act. She said S.B. 460 was intended to strengthen the internal control process. Senator O'Connell indicated Mr. Gary Crews would further explain the need for S.B. 460. Mr. Gary Crews, Legislative Auditor, Legislative Counsel Bureau, State of Nevada, testified. He said the bill Senator O'Connell introduced in 1987 (Exhibit C) required the legislative auditor to report to the legislature, during each biennium, if he found state agencies had not established the controls provided for in that legislation. He explained more that 50 percent of the state agencies audited over the past two bienniums had not established those controls. He suggested the state was losing millions of dollars due to inappropriate expenditures by state agencies or by the failure of state agencies to collect revenues due the state. Mr. Crews stated S.B. 460 would require state agencies to evaluate their internal accounting and management controls on a biennial basis and to report the results of those evaluations to the Department of Administration. He said the legislative auditor would be able to review those results and determine which agencies had not established proper controls. Chairman Bache asked why July 1st of even-numbered years was selected as the date by which each state agency must report the results of its evaluation of its internal controls. Mr. Crews suggested that date was selected in order to have the information available prior to the commencement of the ensuing legislative session. Ms. Carole Vilardo, Nevada Taxpayers Association, testified, saying only she believed the need for S.B. 460 was self-evident. Chairman Bache closed the hearing on S.B. 460. ASSEMBLYMAN TRIPPLE MOVED DO PASS S.B. 460. ASSEMBLYMAN BENNETT SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED. SENATE BILL NO. 180 - Requires state public works board to apply for rebates from public utilities for installing devices to decrease use of energy in state buildings. Senator Dina Titus, District No. 7, testified. She explained S.B. 180 dealt with efficient use of energy in public buildings and resulted from a recommendation based on an interim study of efforts to conserve energy and to develop energy resources within Nevada. She asserted, over the past 20 years, a great deal of technology had been developed by which to make the most efficient and most cost-effective use of energy and there was a desire to see those technologies employed in state buildings. Senator Titus contended, in the past, the State Public Works Board was reluctant to aggressively pursue an energy-efficiency program. She explained the administration of the board had changed and the current deputy manager had worked with her to develop the provisions of S.B. 180. Senator Titus advised, originally, S.B. 180 had provided for an energy consultant to be hired to work with the State Public Works Board when a state building was being designed to ensure the building would include technologies designed to conserve energy. She said that provision was deleted from S.B. 180 because of the cost involved. She advised, in its present form, S.B. 180 required the Public Works Board to work with public utilities, when state buildings were being designed, to determine whether those utilities gave rebates for use of energy saving devices in order that such devices could be incorporated in those state buildings when they were constructed and the state could take advantage of those rebates. Assemblyman Freeman asked why the provision for hiring an energy consultant had been deleted from S.B. 180. Senator Titus replied cost was a consideration and "...the northern AGC came out in opposition to it because they felt...private enterprise could do this, in working with the plans, and they didn't want to see a state energy consultant...taking away that prerogative." Mrs. Freeman asked what the fiscal note was with respect to the state hiring an energy consultant. Senator Titus replied the fiscal note indicated it would cost $60,000 for the state to hire an energy consultant. Mrs. Freeman asked whether Senator Titus believed she would "...have any chance of getting it through the money committee at this point..." if provision for the state to hire an energy consultant were reinserted in S.B. 180. Senator Titus replied the chairmen of the senate committee were adamant that provision be removed and she doubted they had changed their minds. Assemblyman Segerblom asked whether S.B. 180 provided for "...them returning funds, like we do in southern Nevada, if they save money?" Senator Titus replied affirmatively. She indicated another bill before the legislature provided that any state agency which saved money by using energy efficiency progams would be reimbursed the amount it saved. She suggested this would give state agencies an incentive to use such programs. Discussions were held between Assemblyman Nolan and Senator Titus concerning the possibility of amending S.B. 180 to restore the provision requiring the state to hire an energy consultant. Mr. Dean Borges, Deputy Manager, State Public Works Board, testified. He said he supported S.B. 180 and advised the State Public Works Board would work to determine what rebates for energy savings were available from public utilities. Assemblyman Lambert disclosed her husband worked for Sierra Pacific Power Company and said she would not vote on S.B. 180. She commented she was aware Sierra Pacific Power Company had staff who reviewed construction plans and worked with people to help them save energy. She asked whether the State Public Works Board submitted plans for state buildings to the appropriate electric utility company to discover whether that company could make suggestions for construction which would save the state money by saving energy. Mr. Borges replied an electric company's engineers would be similar to the engineers on the State Public Works Board's staff. He contended the staff of the State Public Works Board was capable of making suggestions for saving energy, however, it was not focused on saving energy and needed the direction provided by S.B. 180. Mrs. Lambert said she did not understand the purpose of using paid state staff to do something a power company would do for the state free of charge. Mr. Borges concurred with Mrs. Lambert's comment but said, in the normal course of business, the State Public Works Board did not approach utilities to obtain their input on construction plans for state buildings. Assemblyman Tripple said, since energy conservation had been an issue with respect to building construction for the past 15 or 20 years, she found it difficult to believe it was necessary to pass legislation, in 1995, to accomplish something which should have been in place long ago. Ms. Tripple contended this was not a new issue and asked whether it had been merely forgotten. Mr. Borges replied he believed the issue of incorporating energy savings in construction had been ignored. He asserted there were no mandates to state agencies to pursue energy savings and no incentives were provided to state employees to save energy. Assemblyman Bennett asked whether Mr. Borges could provide examples of rebates the state could obtain for saving energy. Mr. Borges replied rebates were available from utility companies which had lighting efficiency programs and programs dealing with high efficiency air-conditioning and heating, pumping and water conservation. He suggested, however, there was some doubt as to whether or not rebates would be available from utility companies in the future. Assemblyman Harrington asked whether it would be acceptable if a provision was added to S.B. 180 to require the State Public Works Board to consult with public utilities regarding ways to make state buildings more energy efficient so long as such consultation was given free of charge. Mr. Borges replied such an amendment would create no problem as far as he was concerned. Senator Titus said she would have no problem with such an amendment either but suggested the requirement Mr. Harrington wished to add was already contained in S.B. 180. Ms. Dee Ann Parsons, Chief, Nevada Energy Office, Department of Business and Industry, State of Nevada, testified. She declared the Nevada Energy Office supported S.B. 180 as a step toward acknowledging the need for energy efficiency in state buildings. She maintained the state should apply for any rebates available to it but contended, regardless of rebates, the state should use cost effective energy saving measures in all its new buildings. She declared, "Doing it right the first time is cheaper than having to fix it later." She urged the committee to support S.B. 180. Chairman Bache closed the hearing on S.B. 180. ASSEMBLYMAN FREEMAN MOVED DO PASS S.B. 180. ASSEMBLYMAN WILLIAMS SECONDED THE MOTION. Discussions were held among committee members. Mr. Harrington said he would like to see S.B. 180 amended to require the State Public Works Board to consult with utility companies as long as it could do so free of charge. Assemblyman Williams commented he believed it was the intent of S.B. 180 that the State Public Works Board consult with utility companies and suggested it might be too late in the legislative session to amend the bill and still have the opportunity to act on it. Assemblyman Braunlin proposed S.B. 180 be amended, in line 6 of page 1, to delete the words "from a public utility." She suggested, in the future, there might be additional entities who offered rebates to those who used energy saving devices . Mrs. Freeman indicated she did not wish to see S.B. 180 amended at this point in the legislative session and suggested a letter of legislative intent could be generated to address Mr. Harrington's concern. Mrs. Segerblom concurred with Mrs. Freeman's comments. Assemblyman de Braga also concurred with Mrs. Freeman's remarks. Ms. Tripple asked whether there was not already a statutory requirement to construct state buildings to be energy efficient. Chairman Bache asked Mr. Borges to address Ms. Tripple's question. Mr. Borges said, "Yes, there is a mandate within our own adopted standards that says we should build them efficiently." Ms. Tripple asked why, if there was such a mandate, state buildings were built which were not energy efficient. Mr. Borges replied he was unable to answer Ms. Tripple's question. Chairman Bache called for a vote on the motion pending before the committee to "Do Pass S.B. 180." THE MOTION CARRIED; ASSEMBLYMAN LAMBERT ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTE. ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 631 - Revises distribution of revenue received from lease of federal land. Assemblyman P.M. Roy Neighbors, District 36, left his chair in the committee and testified from the witness table. He explained the purpose of A.B. 631 was to revise the distribution of revenue received by the state from the lease of federal land. He advised A.B. 631 would have a fiscal impact of between $7 million and $10 million. Mr. Neighbors explained, pursuant to current law, for every dollar generated in the state of Nevada from mineral, geothermal, oil and gravel leases and paid to the federal government, 50 cents was given back to the state by the federal government and was deposited in the "distributive school fund." He provided a packet of information (Exhibit D). He called the committee's attention to a document headed "Disbursements by State & County FY 1992" contained in Exhibit D. He pointed out the royalty value for Clark County was $318,312.06 of which $159,156.02 was returned to the state of Nevada while the royalty value for Nye County was $7,465,751.77 of which $3,732,875.88 was returned to the state. He called attention to a similar document for fiscal year 1993 contained in Exhibit D and pointed out that document reflected $219,703.49 was paid to Clark County and $4,005,391.02 to Nye County. He contended neither Clark County nor Nye County received any of the money purportedly paid to them but, rather, that money was placed in the distributive school fund. Mrs. de Braga asked Mr. Neighbors where in Exhibit D information was set forth regarding "...the percentage of the money that came from the county and the percentage they got back." Mr. Neighbors referred Mrs. de Braga to the document in Exhibit D entitled "Disbursements to State & County FY 1992." He explained "royalty value" was defined as the cumulative revenues generated by a specific commodity in a specific county and included both federal and state shares of revenues generated by commodities. He pointed out the royalty values generated by Churchill County and the portion of those values returned to Churchill County. Mr. Neighbors provided a copy of several statutes (Exhibit E) and advised NRS 328.460 provided for the state controller to apportion money in the account for revenue from the lease of federal land and to apportion 25 percent of that money to the distributive school account. He explained that 25 percent apportionment did not apply until after $10 million in revenues had been placed in the distributive school account. He pointed out, in accordance with federal law, NRS 328.450 provided the first $10 million in revenues received by the state from the lease of federal land was to be deposited in the distributive school account. He advised if the state received more than $10 million in such revenues then NRS 328.460 became applicable. Mr. Neighbors submitted a copy of a proposed amendment to A.B. 631 (Exhibit F) and advised the proposed amendment would delete the statutory requirement the state treasurer deposit the first $10 million received from the lease of federal land in the distributive school account and required the treasurer to apportion such monies as presently set forth in NRS 328.460. Mrs. Segerblom asked whether the revenues Mr. Neighbors was discussing pertained only to revenues received from the lease of federal lands and not to revenues received from minerals. Mr. Neighbors replied, "No. I'm talking about the oil, the leasing, the gravel, geothermal, anything that's to do with the mineral land not just the leasing." Mrs. Segerblom said, "But not the taking out of the ore." Mr. Neighbors advised the revenues he was discussing had nothing to do with either gold or silver. Assemblyman Nolan said, "I understand there'd be an offset by taking $10 million out of the distributive school account and, correct me if I'm wrong, in essence, what you're saying is that this could be taken care of at the county level. What is being distributed to the counties in way of this $10 million could be taken care of at the county level and it would not be a hit in reference to (remainder of sentence unintelligible)." Mr. Neighbors replied that was not what he was saying. He said he believed the revenues being discussed were not being allocated in accordance with federal law. He advised he believed, pursuant to federal law, the monies which had been allocated to the distributive school fund over the years should, instead, have been returned to the counties. Mr. Nolan indicated there was currently a crisis regarding school funding and suggested it might not be in the best interests of education to attempt to rectify the problem Mr. Neighbors perceived by reallocating revenues at the present time. Mrs. de Braga pointed out the proposed amendment to A.B. 631 (Exhibit F) referred only to revenues from the lease of federal lands and not to revenues from mining royalties and asked if Mr. Neighbors intended revenues from mining royalties to be excluded. Mr. Neighbors indicated the proposed amendment (Exhibit F) made reference to the federal law which governed the revenues being discussed. Mrs. de Braga asked whether, then, the revenues being discussed were those from both mining royalties and land leases. Mr. Neighbors replied affirmatively. Mrs. de Braga said Mr. Neighbors testified 25 percent of the revenues would be distributed to the Department of Business and Industry for energy development and 50 percent would be distributed to the counties. She asked how the remaining 25 percent was to be distributed. Mr. Neighbors replied the remaining 25 percent would "...go to that district's school." Mrs. de Braga asked whether a specific use was designated for the 50 percent of revenues which would be returned to the counties. Mr. Neighbors replied federal law was clear as to the purposes for which such monies were to be used. Mr. Neighbors provided a document setting forth the apportionment of revenues among school districts for the fiscal year 1992 (Exhibit G) and discussed some of the figures set forth. He pointed out the difference between the percentage of revenues generated by Nye County and the percentage generated by Clark County and the difference between the percentage of revenues distributed to the school districts of those counties. Mr. Neighbors submitted a flow chart showing the manner in which federal payments to the state would be distributed if A.B. 631 was amended as proposed and passed by the legislature (Exhibit H) and a copy of the federal law governing the disposition of such payments (Exhibit I). He read a portion of the federal law (Exhibit I) which said monies returned to the state by the federal government, pursuant to that law, were to be used for planning, construction, maintenance of public facilities and provision of public service. Mr. Neighbors advised he had requested the Legislative Counsel Bureau to give its opinion regarding how the revenues being discussed should be distributed (with respect to the requirements of federal law). He submitted a copy of the opinion rendered by the Legislative Counsel Bureau pursuant to his request (Exhibit J) and read aloud the conclusion set forth on the last page of the opinion (Exhibit J). Mr. Nolan commented Mr. Neighbors had raised a valid point in pointing out Clark County received the greatest percentage of the revenues returned to the state while making the least contribution to the generation of those revenues. He suggested Mr. Neighbors had raised issues regarding the legality of the manner in which the state of Nevada distributed such revenues, regarding equitable allocation of funds in the distributive school account and regarding the manner in which the state allocated funds to counties in general. Mr. Harrington said Mr. Neighbors was proposing, based on the legal opinions he had discussed, the legislature make a change in the law which would reverse many political decisions which had been made over a period of time and suggested it might be a mistake to do so until final legal decisions were rendered. He asked Mr. Neighbors to comment on what he had said. Mr. Neighbors replied he was not discussing how state monies should be distributed. He contended there was an existing federal law governing how revenues from leased federal land should be distributed and Nevada should comply with that law. Mr. Bennett asked whether Mr. Neighbors would consider an amendment to A.B. 631 to cause the effective date of its provisions to coincide with the next biennial budget. Mr. Neighbors replied he would have no problem with such an amendment if he could be assured the provisions of A.B. 631 would go into effect but pointed out the next legislature might decide to "...change the rules." Mr. Nolan asked what action the co-chairmen of the committee were required to take because of Mr. Neighbors having established on the record his opinion Nevada had not complied with federal law. Chairman Bache replied he wished to confer with the leadership of the Assembly, the legislature's legal and research staffs and the Assembly Committee on Ways and Means before taking any action on A.B. 631. Mr. Henry Etchemendy, Nevada Association of School Boards, testified. He maintained Nevada's schools districts probably would not be damaged by A.B. 631 because the state made up any difference between the funds school districts raised locally and the funds they required. He advised, for many years, the state had used the monies it received from mineral land lease revenues as a portion of its contribution and suggested if the state could not use those revenues for that purpose it would have to find the funds elsewhere. He said the danger to the school districts arose from the fact, if the state could not use those revenues towards its contribution to school funding, the state might choose to use a "...lower per pupil formula..." because it did not have sufficient money with which to make its contribution based on the current formula. Mr. Etchemendy suggested, at the time the legislature determined to apportion the revenues from federal land leases in the manner in which they were presently apportioned, it must have obtained assurances from some source that such apportionment complied with federal law. He pointed out the opinion rendered by the Legislative Counsel Bureau (Exhibit J) did not constitute a court's decision and said, "...and unless and until that's resolved, then the issue, I would think, would be moot." Chairman Bache acknowledged Ms. Jeanne Botts and said he knew Ms. Botts was present neither to support nor to oppose A.B. 631 but only to provide the committee with information. Ms. Jeanne Botts, Program Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, testified. She asked whether Mr. Neighbors intended the entire amount of money the state received from federal mineral land lease revenues be placed in an account for such revenues and then be distributed as shown in Exhibit H). Mr. Neighbors explained A.B. 631 would eliminate the statutory provision which required the first $10 million dollars of such revenues be placed in the distributive school account and would cause those revenues to be distributed in accordance with federal law and as set forth in NRS 328.460. Ms. Botts indicated, at the present time, school districts received approximately $8 million through the distributive school account. She asked whether, pursuant to A.B. 631, certain school districts would receive approximately 25 percent of that sum. Mr. Neighbors replied the money would be distributed to "...the districts where the mineral action was..." and could be used to mitigate any impacts the mineral industry created in that county. Ms. Botts stated, "That might be a little difficult because, currently, under another federal program, school districts that have federal impacts receive federal payments in lieu of taxes and those monies go into the school district's general fund but are considered by the state as part of the money available to fund education, and the Nevada Plan, which attempts to provide equity among the districts, in funding, takes into consideration all the revenue a district receives. So, if they get payments in lieu of taxes or net proceeds, whatever, that might be unusual for a county and not all counties get -- I mean all revenue received by a district is taken into consideration and then the distributive school account tries to make things equitable. So, to take $8 million and say `We're not going to consider that part of a school district's wealth' certainly is contrary to what we've done in the Nevada Plan in the past." Mr. Neighbors reiterated all he sought through A.B. 631 was to cause Nevada to comply with federal law in its distribution of revenues from federal mineral land leases. He suggested perhaps that 25 percent of revenues which would be distributed to schools, pursuant to A.B. 631, should instead be distributed to the counties which could then use those revenues to provide their school districts with the things they needed. Mrs. Lambert asked what impact there would be on the distributive school account if 25 percent of the revenues the state received from federal mineral land leases generated by a particular county was distributed to that county's school district. She asked Ms. Botts to use Clark County and Nye County to provide examples of that impact. Ms. Botts replied, if none of the revenues were placed in the distributive school account, the legislature would have to find $8 million dollars with which to make the general fund's appropriation to the distributive school account. She said, however, if 25 percent of those revenues were distributed to local school districts only a $6 million appropriation would be required to make up the difference between those revenues and general fund's appropriation to the distributive school account. Mr. Neighbors asked Ms. Botts to assume the $8 million dollars in revenues was not to be placed in the distributive school account and school districts were to receive 25 percent of the revenues generated by the counties in which they were located. He used Nye County as an example and said, "...I can remember one year it got up to $5 million or something like that. Twenty-five percent of that would be a million something...let's say $4 million, $1 million, twenty-five percent would go to the school. Would that $1 million be a total deduction from the $11 million the county gets." Ms. Botts replied, for budgeting purposes, it would be a deduction. She explained in detail how revenues received by school districts were considered when determining how much state aid would be given to those districts. Mr. Bennett asked whether the federal government had authority to audit the revenues returned to Nevada and whether, if it did conduct such an audit and determined Nevada was not complying with federal law, it could withhold those revenues from the state. Ms. Botts replied she was not certain whether or not the federal government could do so. Mr. Neighbors asked whether the purpose of audits conducted by the federal government was to determine whether funds were applied as they were supposed to be applied. Ms. Botts replied affirmatively. Ms. Botts reminded the committee state law specified how revenues from federal mineral land leases were to be spent and contended Nevada had not violated its own law. She advised that law had existed for some time and, to her knowledge, the federal government had never asserted Nevada was spending the revenues returned to it inappropriately. Mr. Neighbors stated he was not accusing anyone of wrong doing but suggested, with respect to federal law, an error might have been made in the allocation of the revenues being discussed. Ms. Debbie Cahill, Nevada State Education Association, testified. Ms. Cahill advised the proposed amendment to A.B. 631 (Exhibit F) eliminated from A.B. 631 the particular language about which the Nevada State Education Association had been concerned. She indicated the Legislative Counsel Bureau's opinion (Exhibit J) expressed concern about whether Nevada was meeting "...the objectives and the spirit of the federal law..." She contended the legislature had authority to establish those objectives and, by using the revenues returned to it to further education, Nevada was using those revenues to provide a public service. Ms. Cahill advised two bills were pending before the legislature which dealt with deconsolidation of large school districts. She indicated an amendment had been proposed to one of those bills, Senate Bill No. 511, to require "...an external study of the issue of deconsolidation..." She said it was her understanding it was the intent of the Senate Committee on Government Affairs to have that study broadened to include "...funding as a whole..." She suggested, if that was to happen and if there was concern about a possible federal lawsuit, the issue presently before the committee could be included in that study. Mr. Neighbors asked whether Ms. Cahill believed Nevada was complying with the federal law governing use of revenues returned to it from federal mineral land leases. Ms. Cahill said she had not read the applicable federal law but would do so and would then be happy to discuss the matter with Mr. Neighbors. Chairman Bache closed the hearing on A.B. 631. Chairman Bache assigned S.B. 460 to Mrs. Lambert and S.B. 180 to Mrs. Freeman for the purpose of making floor statements. SENATE BILL NO. 343 - Revises provisions governing examination of employment records and personnel files of public utilities, motor carriers or brokers. ASSEMBLYMAN SEGERBLOM MOVED DO PASS S.B. 343. ASSEMBLYMAN NEIGHBORS SECONDED THE MOTION. Discussions were held. Mr. Bennett said S.B. 343 was a good bill and the only harm he saw in the bill was that it would make an individual's salary and benefits a matter of public record. He indicated he would support the bill but would "...watch this closely in two years to see that there are no...violations of a person's individual rights..." Assemblyman Krenzer advised she would support S.B. 343 but said, for the record, "Since I did vote against S.B. 303 on the floor because of the provisions of confidential, commercial information being included along with trade secrets, I would like to state for the record that I am voting for this bill because the Public Service Commission has a watchdog and I feel that I -- I felt confident that the testimony of the watchdog was that should this expand too great, the confidentiality or the things that are kept from the public that they will come back to us next session and report that." Chairman Bache called for a vote on the motion pending before the committee to "do pass S.B. 343." THE MOTION CARRIED; ASSEMBLYMAN LAMBERT ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTE. There being no further business to come before the committee, Chairman Bache adjourned the meeting at 10:36 a.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: Sara Kaufman, Committee Secretary APPROVED BY: Assemblyman Douglas A. 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